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Jomegat at 02:32, 1 February 2021

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Jomegat bot: Bot: Automated text replacement (-:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Zoo Visit +AY Honors/Zoo Visit)

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W126jep at 19:46, 14 April 2020

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W126jep: Archiving older discussions

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Jomegat at 04:54, 5 January 2018

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W126jep: Louisiana Purchase requirements

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Louisiana Purchase requirements

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-That way the tags will be active when the content is translated, but not when it is transcluded into another page.  The noinclude tag means "don't include this part in the pages that includes this." I tried it on the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Camping/Take pictures leave footprints]] page, and that killed the translate tag litter in the backpacking honor.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:33, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
+That way the tags will be active when the content is translated, but not when it is transcluded into another page.  The noinclude tag means "don't include this part in the pages that includes this." I tried it on the [[AY Youth/Camping/Take pictures leave footprints]] page, and that killed the translate tag litter in the backpacking honor.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:33, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
 :Excellent. I'll go around and clean up and put those tags in. Thanks, as always, I'm still kind of illiterate when it comes to wiki. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 00:26, 30 October 2014 (EDT)
 ::I know what you mean.  There's a ''lot'' of wiki stuff I don't know either, but somehow, I muddle through.  I'll experiment with the behavior of this approach on templates too - maybe it will solve some problems.  When I get some time, I'll start marking pages for translation so you can concentrate on the actual translation.  I know you can mark them yourself, but I can't translate content, and that would seem to be the best use of our skills.  Any "translation" I do will be with the help of Google translate (and thus highly suspect) - that will only be for testing the markup.  Thanks for your efforts here.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 08:51, 30 October 2014 (EDT)

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 ::::I noticed the Zoo visit list is picking up /en and /es pages as well as the no /page. That could get out of hand. Ideas? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 14:30, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
-{{AY Honors/Zoo Visit}}
+<nowiki>{{AY Honors/Zoo Visit}}</nowiki>
 :::::I realize now that I've been inadvertently creating pages to be translated to English, which has the language code "/en". This would make these pages show up in the Zoo Visit as well. I went ahead and set the Creationism/en page for deletion, so hopefully it will not show up in the Zoo Visit list once it's completely removed. I also removed the Zoo Visit template from the Camelids/es page, but I'm not sure why it continues to pop up in the list. In the future, this should not be an issue, as the translated pages will work with the translated templates, and shouldn't show up in the English version. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 17:23, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

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 ::::I noticed the Zoo visit list is picking up /en and /es pages as well as the no /page. That could get out of hand. Ideas? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 14:30, 16 October 2014 (EDT)
-{{:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Zoo Visit}}
+{{AY Honors/Zoo Visit}}
 :::::I realize now that I've been inadvertently creating pages to be translated to English, which has the language code "/en". This would make these pages show up in the Zoo Visit as well. I went ahead and set the Creationism/en page for deletion, so hopefully it will not show up in the Zoo Visit list once it's completely removed. I also removed the Zoo Visit template from the Camelids/es page, but I'm not sure why it continues to pop up in the list. In the future, this should not be an issue, as the translated pages will work with the translated templates, and shouldn't show up in the English version. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 17:23, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

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	::::Any plans on upgrading for the new year? Or was it done already? --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 14:30, 16 January 2016 (EST)		::::Any plans on upgrading for the new year? Or was it done already? --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 14:30, 16 January 2016 (EST)
	:::::No, I have not applied an update. I am very pressed for time these days. I hope things let up before the end of February, but we'll see. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 19:36, 16 January 2016 (EST)		:::::No, I have not applied an update. I am very pressed for time these days. I hope things let up before the end of February, but we'll see. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 19:36, 16 January 2016 (EST)
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		+	== Template Brackets and Translation ==
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		+	Just for future reference, please, whenever including a template that has information that spans more than a paragraph, please do one of the following: either keep it all together with no spaces between paragraphs or include the opening and closing brackets in their own line. For example:<br /><br />
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		+	{{templatename<br />info info info<br />info info info info<br />Other paragraph other paragraph}}<br />
		+	<br />OR<br /><br />
		+	{{<br /><br />templatename<br />info info info<br />info info info info<br />Other paragraph other paragraph<br /><br />}}<br /><br />
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		+	I ask this because when attempting to translate, if there is a break anywhere between the opening and closing brackets, the software will divide each of these separations into translatable chunks. When this happens, the software does not recognize that the template should all go together and be seen as one unit. I then cannot properly translate these chunks because the translation software will not save the translation, thinking there is an error.<br /><br />I have had to go in every once in a while and edit the text to either separate or put together the template brackets so that I might be able to properly save the translation. If it sounds confusing, just let me know and I will try to explain it better. Thanks!<br /><br /> --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 07:51, 16 December 2015 (EST)
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		+	:Can you provide a link to an edit diff that shows what you did to fix one? That would be the easiest way to explain it. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:36, 16 December 2015 (EST)
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		+	::[http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Species_Account/Somniosus_microcephalus&diff=prev&oldid=178702 Here] is an example of an edit I did, separating the opening and closing brackets into their own lines. Before I made the edit, the chunks marked to translate were separated into two; the chunk before "\|range" and the chunk after it. These are parts, though, of the same template. For some odd reason, the software will not save the translation chunk if it is missing a pair of brackets. I have to edit it so that the brackets are either on their own separate lines (thereby making each pair of brackets their own translatable chunk) or eliminate any spaces between paragraphs so that the chunk includes both pairs of brackets. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 21:56, 17 December 2015 (EST)
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		+	<br />
		+	=''Conversations that began in 2016''=
		+	<br />
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		+	== Year 2016 ==
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		+	New Year! New blessings! Let's make 2016 one of the best years and have this Wiki up to 100% before 2017! [[User:RABaker96\|RABaker96]] already has us started off with awesome contributions to the Sand honor! Nicely done! --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 18:19, 1 January 2016 (EST)
		+	:Your note spurred me to add the answers to [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Water Science\|Water Science]] & Advanced using the material submitted to the NAD when the honor was proposed. I've got material for all the 2015 honors if anyone else wants to make use of it for adding answers to other honors. Drop me a note and I'll send it to you. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:31, 1 January 2016 (EST)
		+	::That's great! Let's keep going and see if we can get others on board! --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 16:37, 2 January 2016 (EST)
		+
		+	== Retired Insignia Page ==
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		+	I have been wanting to create [[Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Retired_Insignia\|this page]] for a long time, as previously discussed in another thread. I finally decided to go ahead and just get it started and see where it goes from there. I'm not sure where a link to it would belong, so I haven't put one up yet. My hope is that it will also be a page with useful information for the Adventist Youth Ministries Museum that Dixie Plata and others are collaborating on.
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		+	I still have some more patches around that I want to put up and I know that there are people out there who could definitely contribute too! If you're one of them, upload those images! If anyone has any ideas on how to improve the look, style, formatting, wording, etc., be my guest. I just wanted to get this thing going. [[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 00:48, 30 January 2016 (EST)
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		+	:This is a nice addition! --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 19:30, 30 January 2016 (EST)
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		+	::Where would a link to this page be most suitable? We need community members to upload outdated images, but if they can't get to this page, it will not happen. [[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 12:42, 3 February 2016 (EST)
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		+	:::Maybe on the main Honor index page. I've been thinking that we might want to drop the huge image of the key-hand-off from there. I like the image, and it was developed as the AYHAB book cover. But online, do we really need a cover? We could also leave it there but reduce it in size substantially. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2016 (EST)
		+	::::I like the image also. I would vote to reduce the size, or even refit it as a banner, those that are really wide across. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 16:07, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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		+	== Additional Information? ==
		+	A couple questions here. I know some of them would take quite a while before they could even be started on. but its a thought.
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		+	What about possibly creating a link to Other information. Ie: Ay Story, Pathfinder Manual, The Happy Path, Church Heritage etc? and maybe possibly adding on Pathfinder/Master Guide Leadership training courses(The Power points)?
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		+	Is there a page set up for Adventurer's honours and the Investiture for them?
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		+	Is it possible to incorporate the honours into a Powerpoint slide presentation that could be available for some clubs to use as a guide for teaching the honours?
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		+	[[User:Ixoekea\|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea\|talk]]) 03:42, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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		+	:All of those are excellent ideas, but we would need to get permission from the copyright holders to add that material here (though if you already know where it exists online, we could certainly add a link to that). There is an Adventurers project over on Wikibooks (which is where this started before the NAD adopted us). It would be nice if they would come over here as well. I have invited them at the NAD level, and though they seemed interested, that's as far as it went. I'll bring it up again in January during the annual meeting, and see if they are interested in having the person who did the work on Wikibooks move that work over here.
		+	:There is nothing stopping anyone from creating Powerpoints and uploading them here. If you click on the "Upload file" link in the left panel, you will see that ppt is an acceptable file type. Then you can add it to a page the same way you'd add an image <nowiki>[[File:filename.ppt]]</nowiki>. I've thought about doing that myself several times, but my ppt's always look like they were made by a ppt novice (which is in fact, quite true!)
		+	:Another concept I've been playing with is making videos. We can already embed youtube videos here, but more than that, we can upload them here as well.
		+	:Thanks for sharing your ideas! This is how we get better. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 13:16, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
		+	::Welcome to the Wiki, [[User:Ixoekea\|Ixoekea]]! Excited to have you help us collaborating. I think [[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] already did a good job of answering your questions. I just wanted to mention about the Leadership Training PowerPoints.
		+	::I myself have been an instructor at Leadership Training in a few different conferences. I always have to tweak or change my presentations when presenting in different conferences, because much of the material can be region-specific. For example, I was teaching in one conference the rules of competing in a marching competition. In this certain conference, only Pathfinders or TLTs could be the drill instructors and participate in marching competitions. Yet in another conference where I taught the same thing, their conference allowed adults, directors, and Master Guides to be instructors and participate. Different conferences also have to adhere to different laws according to their region, thus trainings on rules for child abuse, background checks, etc. will vary as well.
		+	::If you look at the new AYMT material provided by the NAD (here is the link: [http://www.pathfindersonline.org/leaders/aymt-training AYMT Training]), their seminar descriptions just give a broad summary of what should be covered in that particular seminar. This was done on purpose so that local leaders can adapt material to suit the needs of their local clubs and churches.
		+	::Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we technically ''could'' put up training seminars, but the NAD is so vast and diverse that it probably wouldn't really assist anyone in actually learning the material they need to know. For example, a training seminar from British Columbia on how to camp during the winter months would probably not really benefit a club from Miami, Florida! This is why each conference is supposed to hold Leadership Conventions or similar at least once a year.
		+	::Even so, I do like your idea of providing PPTs for the honors. That is something that I think would be greatly beneficial to many.
		+	::Blessings and again, welcome! --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 21:35, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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		+	Thanks for the welcome [[User:W126jep\|W126jep]] and thanks for clarifying on the AYMT material! :)
		+
		+	== The Other Category ==
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		+	With the expansion of the wiki to include MG, silver & gold awards, and the pastor's pin (et al), it would be better if we created a new template rather than use the honor_desc (which stands for honor descriptor) template. I haven't noticed any problems yet, but all the indices are built now by extracting information from honor_desc. In other words, we don't add things to the indices - they get added automatically when a page uses the honor_desc template. This means there's a good chance we could add non-honors to the indices by accident. I think setting the category to "Other" has prevented this so far, but I'd rather not stress the structure by adding things to it that it was not intended to support. By using a new template, we could also change the color scheme (and layout) so that people won't think that the pastor's pin or MG are just different honors. The template is already complicated enough, so I really don't want to adjust it to accommodate a new type of page. Thoughts? --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 20:19, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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		+	:I was thinking that last night. I just wasn't quite sure how to create the template. Colour scheme we could go with grey. Its a pretty neutral colour. We really don't need the date of when it was created unless your using it for trivial. I think all of these are approved by the GC, unless there are other awards in other countries. But we could expand that category by quite a bit. There is the TLT, AYMT, BST program we could put the requirements on. Even Scribe and Captain pins could be put into the category. I find the structure of the honours a lot easyier to read than the Retired Honour Table. Could we throw the Oshkosh pins and badges in here or would they be going into retired badges? There is no need of skill level for these.
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		+	:I noticed there was a class called Pioneer and Navigator. Should those go in retired or in other??
		+	:::These two classes are actual classes used only in the Florida Conference, hence they shouldn't go in the retired section. They might be able to go in the Other section, but they're not like the others. They're more like the MG category or IA in that they are entire curricula. But they definitely don't go in the retired section. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 20:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
		+	:If we really wanted to really expand the categories. We could do a category for Camporee Patches within conferences. But that might be a little to excessive! It would have to be seperated by state/provincial and adding year to it. [[User:Ixoekea\|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea\|talk]]) 20:55, 19 November 2016
		+	:::A page for camporee patches would be insanely difficult to complete with so many conferences and territories, although I am all for it. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 20:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
		+	::::I added a section a while ago to the website I run for different conference patches for Pathfinders all around the world. It is all in Spanish, but you can know where the patches are from by their geographical region. It is pretty complete, but still needs lots of work. You can check it out '''[http://guiasmayores.weebly.com/parches-de-territorios.html here]'''. Check it out and let me know what you think. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 02:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
		+	::If you'd like to sketch something up, I could code it. I just don't have the energy to be ''creative'' right now. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 02:12, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
		+	:::Having a new template sounds like a good idea. I would also propose that [[User:Ixoekea\|Ixoekea]] come up with something as I am curious to see what he has in mind. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 20:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
		+	::Already Working on it, I'm going to try and give the coding a try first, I think I got it working in a different category. I wanted to keep the same format so it looks the same of the rest. I just changed the category name. [[User:Ixoekea\|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea\|talk]]) 20:35, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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 :«Apparently the information has been misplaced. We have not been able to locate the program after the last OshKosh.»
 This is very unfortunate news. Unless we can find someone that took the class and saved the requirements, it looks like we might never get this one. Jim, ever had any luck finding them from the FOF camporee? --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 03:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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 ::Thanks, Cameron Rogers/JadeDragon
-Cool.  I've asked someone in Potomac for Jamestown. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:11, 24 September 2014 (EDT)<br />
+Cool. I've asked someone in Potomac for Jamestown. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:11, 24 September 2014 (EDT)<br />
 :::<b>Was there ever a response from the respective conferences regarding this? --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 14:31, 22 October 2014 (EDT)</b><br />
-::::No, and I forgot to pursue it.  I'll ask again. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:19, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
+::::No, and I forgot to pursue it. I'll ask again. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:19, 23 October 2014 (EDT)
-:One other thing - I have the Louisiana Purchase honor (got it during CTS, kids got it at FFIC).  I can take a photo, but I am slammed with Conf Camporee prep right now, and then there will be the backups/upgrade to tend to.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:18, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
+:One other thing - I have the Louisiana Purchase honor (got it during CTS, kids got it at FFIC). I can take a photo, but I am slammed with Conf Camporee prep right now, and then there will be the backups/upgrade to tend to.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:18, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
 :::I already uploaded the Louisiana Purchase insignia >[[Image:Louisiana Purchase.png|100px]] --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 23:28, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
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	:::The sort list is spectacular. It would help unclutter the main page and keep information "above the fold". The only issue I have with demoting to only category pages is that I assume most directors and Pathfinders don't know how or where an honor is categorized and might spend unnecessary time searching or become frustrated. And I would be the first in line to try to earn a wikibuilding honor. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 21:40, 30 September 2014 (EDT)		:::The sort list is spectacular. It would help unclutter the main page and keep information "above the fold". The only issue I have with demoting to only category pages is that I assume most directors and Pathfinders don't know how or where an honor is categorized and might spend unnecessary time searching or become frustrated. And I would be the first in line to try to earn a wikibuilding honor. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 21:40, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
	::::I wanted a wiki trading pin featuring the "keys" image on the front page. It would be cool to be able to send those out to anyone who makes a constructive edit. But those cost bucks, and I am but a volunteer. Maybe I'll ask the NAD to invest. It might attract more editors. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 21:44, 30 September 2014 (EDT)		::::I wanted a wiki trading pin featuring the "keys" image on the front page. It would be cool to be able to send those out to anyone who makes a constructive edit. But those cost bucks, and I am but a volunteer. Maybe I'll ask the NAD to invest. It might attract more editors. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 21:44, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
		+	==Regional Honors Variations==
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		+	When a local conference has an honor with the same name or subject matter as a GC/Div honor - even if the requirements are different, I propose we exclude the regional honor or clearly mark it as obsolete. Examples include Florida's Adventist Heritage,, Ukraine's Feltcraft, Backpacking & Adv, Camp Cookery. If a Div creates a variation, I propose we include it with a disambig page as has been our practice so far. SPD has a few variations we have not covered yet.[[User:JadeDragon\|JadeDragon]] 00:21, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
		+	:Is it possible to include the different insignia image with the disambig pages? Ukraine has its own images and the FL Heritage Award does too, for example. -- [[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] 00:33, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
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		+	::Sure we can just add the image. would make the page look nicer. [[User:JadeDragon\|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon\|talk]]) 15:51, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
		+	:::Once the Translate extension is up, we could select an image based on language. That's an imperfect solution, I know, but it might be pretty OK-ish. FWIW, I'm uploading the extensions now. They won't go live until I can get our service provider to run the update script though. How I wish I had shell access! --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
		+	::::i don't see how selecting by images by language helps anything - maybe I don't understand. [[User:JadeDragon\|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon\|talk]]) 14:31, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
		+	:::::I was thinking that in the case of the Ukranian honors, we could use the Ukranian version of the insignia in the Ukranian translation. I guess there's no en-fl (English for Floridians), so my suggestion doesn't make sense for that case. BTW, there is an en-ca. If you want to Candianize any of the honors (or just play around with the Translate extension). --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 18:20, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
		+	Eh, Canadians are not that different! I'll stick to content creation. [[User:JadeDragon\|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon\|talk]]) 15:28, 11 October 2014 (EDT)